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| I posted this on Drew Hall's page, read his original post here.
I'm going to use Proposal 2, voted through in Michigan in 2004, as my example for this comment. The wording: "A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION TO SPECIFY WHAT CAN BE RECOGNIZED AS A 'MARRIAGE OR SIMILAR UNION' FOR ANY PURPOSE. The proposal would amend the state constitution to provide that 'the union of one man and one woman in marriage shall be the only agreement recognized as a marriage or similar union for any purpose.'"
The wording of this proposal not only rules out marriages (an expressly religious word - from its outset, at least) for homosexuals, yet also rules out any sort of civil union, thus COMPLETELY denying homosexuals rights that heterosexuals can obtain through marriage (tax breaks, insurance, etc etc.) "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...." By denying homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals, you are denying that God has created us ALL equal, that we have ALL sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, that NO ONE seeks God. Next we'll deny rights to those who divorce (50% of professing Evangelical Christians, by the way), then to those who kill, then to those who covet, then to those who lie.
It seems from your post as though you, in good moral conscience, can not vote to allow same-sex marriages. I, in good conscience, can not ban them. To vote to ban homosexual marriage means that I have to vote to ban divorce, that I have to vote to ban anyone who lies to their spouse from getting married, that I have to vote to ban anyone who is human from entering into a marriage bond. People will be held accountable for their own sin, it's not me that has to prevent them from sinning.
If asked by a homosexual friend, I want to be able to say, I think you are a human being. I acknowledge that you feel that this is a right lifestyle. I support your rights as an American and as a child of God. Although I disagree with the path you've chosen, I will love YOU with the love of Christ. Like you said in your post, it's not my responsibility to defend God's honor. It's my responsiblity to love Him and love others, and Lord willing, He will give me the words to say in such a situation that communicate that I am not here to condemn the world, but to point the world to He who can redeem them from sin.
(On a separate note, what happens if, 50 or even a hundred years from now, the Religious Right has fallen out of power and popular opinion and, say, an LGBTA political party rises? Say they amend that same constitutional amendment to say that only same-sex marriages shall be recognized by the state? Say it gets voted through. Are you still voting yes on proposal 2?) | | |
| That sound you just heard was a can of worms being opened.
I've been thinking about this for a long time. I've talked to many people
about it. A lot of times I just don't say anything when the topic is
brought up, but I think it's time for me to make a stand (notice that I'm
making it here, and not on my main page, to alleviate at least a bit of
controversy). Also, blogging helps me think through things, so here we
go.
I don't think gay marriage should be illegal. America
stands for equal rights for all (little thing I like to call the
Constitution). If someone grows up in California
instead of Michigan, should they
have fewer rights than the Michiganian?
It is completely arbitrary to say that a man and a woman who live
together are allowed legal and property rights while 2 men who live together
are not. Yes, yes, the Bible. I'll get to that. If you want to argue symantics, call a gay
marriage a civil union with the same legal benefits. No one's forcing you to marry them in your
church (another little American value:
separation of church and state.
Marriage is both a civil and a sacred ceremony. I'm arguing here for the legalization of the
civil marriage, as religious marriage is up to the church which marries
you).
The main argument for Christians against homosexual marriage
is that the Bible says it's a sin. Ah,
but what exactly does the Bible say is a sin? "Do not lie with a man as you lie with a woman, that is detestable"
(Leviticus 18:22). Last year a sophomore
in a Bible study I was leading asked about that exact verse, saying, "The Bible
says that the act of homosexual sex is a sin, not that feelings of attraction
toward a member of the same sex is a sin.
So could a woman be attracted to other women and not to men, but not be
sinning?" I think that the answer is
yes. As much as I'd like to think that
homosexuality is a "chosen" way of life, there is increasing evidence that
people are born with genetic predispositions to homosexuality and/or that
homosexuality is caused by different sorts of upbringings. Would you choose to be marginalized and cast
aside by society of your own free will, if you could choose that simply? There are other factors than just a
choice. Tony Campolo argues that many
Christian homosexuals, wanting to please God but not deny the way they are,
have struggled with homosexual desires and others have lived in committed
homosexual relationships without having sex.
Interesting arguments. I'm not
sure I agree with Campolo on every issue, but he has a good point to consider, at
least. When it comes down to it, what do we know? We know that Jesus came to seek and save that
which was lost. Not to heal the healthy,
but the sick. He lived among the
marginalized outcasts of society, and was called horrible names for the company
he kept. He was friends not with members
of the day's "Religious Right," but with unschooled, ordinary men, prostitutes,
and tax collectors (perhaps today's modern-day equivalent would be
telemarketers). He not only conversed
with, but stood up for women (a major no-no at that time). If we are trying to win people to the Kingdom
of God, ostracizing an entire group
of people who need Jesus is not the way to do it! Have we forgotten that we, too, are
sinners? "All have sinned and fallen
short of the glory of God" (Romans 6:23). "Why do you look at your neighbor's eye and
see the speck, but neglect that there is a tree in your own eye?" Oh hypocrites! "Remove the tree from your own eye, and then
you will be able to see clearly to remove the speck from your neighbor's eye."
I understand that this post is pretty
inflammatory. But this is what I
believe. In a nutshell, I'll repeat what
I said at the beginning: civil marriage
between homosexuals should be a-ok. In
the church, it's up to the church. Gays,
however, are Americans, and therefore should have equal rights as Americans to the
legal benefits of marriage.
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| Curious for opinions (and NO, I'm not hinting at anything):
What's the difference between like and love? You see, Turkish only has one word for both: sevmek. I can sevmek a soccer team, or I can sevmek my mom, or I can sevmek Oreos (which I don't, by the way). Ancient Greek has three: agape, fileo, and eros (divine love, friendship love, and physical love). English has like and love. But what's the distinction? | | |
| Full of questions today...
Would a God that is wholly good and loving really send people, whom He created, to "eternal conscious torment" because, as McLaren says in The Last Word and the Word After That, "they don't believe in Jesus in a certain, prescribed way?"
Why did 1st Temple Jews not believe in physical heaven or hell, but believed in "Sheol," which was merely death, the grave?
In Genesis, we were given an option between a tree of life and a tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If we had to eat from a tree to get eternal life...if the "wages of sin is death"...then are we immortal beings? If we're not immortal beings, how do we gain eternal life, either in heaven or in hell? Christ said that he came to bring eternal life...that the Kingdom of God is at hand...emphasizing righteousness and repentance...
Have we distorted the gospel? What is the gospel?
Am I really that arrogant to think that I have all the answers? Or that I need all the answers? Can my way of thinking about the Bible ever be the "right" one?
Deconstructing... | | |
| After many requests, I am updating my secret blog. Here is my latest epiphany:
Boys are AWESOME.
That's pretty much it.  | | |
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